weren’t cultured and probably Canadians were 
more cultured because we were British. And he 
went to Madison, Wisconsin, and said there was 
more culture there than in all of Canada. He 
unlearned various things about culture and added 
new ideas as he went along. And he became a part 
of a certain branch of English literature which 
depends heavily on Joyce, Pound, Eliot and a few 
other central figures. His great contribution there 
was to take some of the insights of people like 
Pound and Joyce and the Cubists in painting, and 
apply them to mass culture. But I had the feeling 
that he was always learning and inwardly 
challenging what he learned before. He was always